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Whig vs. #OUTLAW – The Current Battle

27 June 2014 @ 19:44

There’s been quite the discussion going on in the Comments section of a post published by Jeff Goldstein on Thursday on the ‘vitory’ of Thad Cochran in the Run-Off Primary held this past Tuesday in Mississippi.

Dana Pico, a frequent commentator over at The Other McCain and proprietor of The First Street Journal, had been the subject of much deserved wrath from the PW regulars for, what I describe as his Loyalist sentiments in regards to the GOP, and this had brought out the best in a group that is always insightful and very entertaining — I learn a lot hanging around over there.

I would encourage you to take the time to read the full set of comments — even Dana’s because his way of thinking shows just what we’re up against when it comes to people on the Right who refuse to understand the Reality of our situation.

Here’s a sample of Dana’s thinking:

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Thank you, sir. May I have another.

Senator Cochran played hardball, and he won. If Mr McDaniel challenges the legality of the result, the only thing that he can do is to help the Democratic nominee. It’s time for Mr McDaniel to man up, and not be a stinking crybaby.

[Jeff’s response to this sentiment was classic Goldstein (and spot-on): ‘Answer this one question: if it meant the GOP took control of the Senate, would you let Haley Barbour bang you in the ass? If not, why not?’]

A few highlights from the PW Gang…

-From one of Dicentra’s responses to Dana:

Here are some of Dana’s other erroneous assumptions:

1) He thinks our fury is over the fact we lost, not over the fact that the Establicans violated every principle of decency imaginable. We’re disappointed that Lindsay Graham won, for example, but we’re not “throwing a hissy fit” over that. Notice? When we lose fair and square, we react with disappointment, not righteous indignation.

IOW, we’re not pissed that we lost to “tougher players”; we’re pissed that the other team won by chloroforming the QB on the sly.

Principled people freak out over treachery, not over being beaten fair & square. Why don’t you know that?

2) Dana assumes that Cruz is powerless because he’s in the minority & hasn’t been there long. Dana doesn’t seem to understand that the fastest way to become “hated” or unpopular in DC is to not be a team player. Do you know what being a team player in DC means, Dana? It means being on the take. It means allowing yourself to be co-opted so that you won’t rat out the others who are gorging themselves at the public trough.

Cruz & Lee are hated because they are honest men in the presence of sycophantic crapweasels.

3) Dana doesn’t realize that principled people don’t take kindly to double standards. The Establicans were so loath to accept McDaniels as a colleage — EVEN THOUGH HE’S A PERFECTLY GOOD REPUBLICAN — that they suborned voter fraud to curb-stomp him. As others have enumerated, when Establicans lose a primary, they don’t gracefully accept defeat — they fight it.

Have you heard, Dana, that Hatch is going to move heaven and earth to get rid of Mike Lee? Why is that, do you suppose? Is Lee not voting properly? Why isn’t Hatch OK with Any Red Butt in that seat?

Perhaps you can explain why we’re enjoined by all the “pragmatists” to gracefully accept defeat, but they themselves do no such thing. Can you explain why we should be OK with that?

4) The worst of Dana’s assumptions is that winning back the Senate will thwart Obama’s agenda. Are you really that inattentive, Dana? Do you see the GOP attempting to derail Obama’s agenda even at a rhetorical level? Boehner has all kinds of arrows in his quivver to push back against Obama’s lawlessness, but instead of using even one — or merely threatening to — he concocts this bullshit lawsuit.

I’ma repeat that Sean Trende observation that Pablo posted earlier, and I want Dana to read it VERY CAREFULLY:

And what do Republicans have to show for [putting Republicans in power]? Temporary tax cuts, No Child Left Behind, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, a new Cabinet department, increased federal spending, TARP, and repeated attempts at immigration reform. Basically, despite a historic opportunity to shrink government, almost everything that the GOP establishment achieved during that time moved the needle leftward on domestic policy. Probably the only unambiguous win for conservatives were the Roberts and Alito appointments to the Supreme Court; the former is viewed with suspicion today while the latter only came about after the base revolted against Harriet Miers.

Dana, would you mind explaining to me why you want more of this and worse? Is it OK with you that a goodly portion of us refuse to call this shit sandwich “half a loaf”?

You can certainly call the abolitionists “purists” given their uncompromising position, but they also happened to be 100% right. Sometimes you’re not dealing with half a loaf but half a BABY. Other times a compromise consists of building a bridge halfway across a river — each party got half of what it wanted but the result is worse than useless.

I really don’t understand people who cling to their normalcy bias like grim death. What gives with not being able to adapt to changing reality? Why can’t you see that the GOP doesn’t even TRY to move the country rightward anymore?

IT’S NOT 1993, YA FOOL! WAKE THE HELL UP!

Or get out of our way. Don’t make me no never mind.

-Drumwaster responding to a point made by Dana:

[Dana:] Those were the rules, whether you like them or not, and Chris McDaniel decided to enter the race, knowing those rules

And Cochran chose to violate those rules (not to mention the felonious activity by his staffers), and you think he should be rewarded for those violations because “we don’t want the Dems to run the Senate”.

-Lawrence responding to the Loyalist:

Dana, you’re defending the behavior of Cochran’s campaign only in vague generalities.

You sneer about “Throwing a hissy fit because Thad Cochran and Mitch McConnell defeated two TEA Party challengers,” but you damn well know that the objection isn’t primarily THAT the incumbent Cochran successfully beat a primary challenge, but HOW he did so.

“In the end, Chris McDaniel could not persuade a majority of the voters to vote for him, and he lost.”

He persuaded a majority of REPUBLICANS in the REPUBLICAN primary runoff, and you’re trying (and failing) to obscure the fact that Cochran’s campaign reached out to Dems and did so BOTH by smearing conservatives as racist AND by smearing conservatism as cruel.

It’s funny: you’re trying to defend the indefensible, but you can’t even bring yourself to describe it honestly.

“If Mr McDaniel takes the high road, concedes, and tries to help Senator Cochran, we’ll still have the Mississippi Senate seat; if y’all get your way, and Mr McDaniel tries to muddy this up and fight and fight, you just might see that Senate seat go to the Democrat.”

Why the hell should any of us take that “high road” after this, especially when you’re praising Cochran’s hardball tactics? There’s nothing particularly noble about enabling the party leadership’s slander of us and our ideals: that’s no high road, it’s a road to serfdom.

Just as the Loyalists in the years leading up to July of 1776 would have, through their naivete, lead us into being enslaved by George III and Parliament, so would Dana have us accept the present situation.

This is not a game.

7 Comments
  1. 27 June 2014 @ 20:04 20:04

    Reblogged this on That Mr. G Guy's Blog.

  2. indyjonesouthere permalink
    27 June 2014 @ 22:20 22:20

    The establishment RINOs will stab you in the back when they lose primaries just as the Indiana Lugar rinos cut out any support for Mourdock. And these same RINOs refused to impeach the Chief Justice and a couple of Associate Justices when they nullified the 4th amendment to the Indiana constitution. Do NOT support RINOs under any condition…the treasonous bastards will sell you out in a minute. Vote for the opposition party to get rid of the Rino….then pick a proper candidate for the next election…screw their “compromise” stance.

  3. 28 June 2014 @ 09:59 09:59

    Our honored host wrote:

    Just as the Loyalists in the years leading up to July of 1776 would have, through their naivete, lead us into being enslaved by George III and Parliament, so would Dana have us accept the present situation.

    This is not a game.

    Really? So you are going to compare a dispute over whether Senator Cochran and his campaign should have encouraged Democrats to vote in the Mississippi Republican primary runoff election to being subjected to laws in which they had no say, and your response is going to be armed revolution?

    That, after all, was the response of the colonists: they formed militia, and eventually an Army, declared complete independence, and finally won it with plenty of death and destruction along the way.

    Of course, my Southern brethren had another revolution, four score and five years after the United States declared their independence, and it did not end well. Out of a population of 31,443,321 (the result of the census of 1860), 618,222 soldiers in both armies were killed, along with at least 50,00 civilians; total casualties were over a million.

    I’m sorry, but the comparisons made by our host are orders of magnitude out of line.

    (This comment appears, in slightly different form, on The First Street Journal.)

    • 28 June 2014 @ 16:45 16:45

      So you are going to compare a dispute over whether Senator Cochran and his campaign should have encouraged Democrats to vote in the Mississippi Republican primary runoff election to being subjected to laws in which they had no say, and your response is going to be armed revolution?

      That, after all, was the response of the colonists: they formed militia, and eventually an Army, declared complete independence, and finally won it with plenty of death and destruction along the way.

      I wrote of ‘the years leading up to July of 1776’. Resistance to the Tyranny of Parliament began in earnest a decade before The Declaration was written and it consisted, primarily, of seeking gentler, peaceful means of redress for their justified grievances [see: the many resolves and letters primarily authored by Samuel Adams and the writings of John Dickinson from this period]. The formation of Militias were not encouraged until near the end of the meeting of the First Continental Congress in the Summer/Fall of 1774 [and even then, enough members of the Congress were against officially encouraging such a step that that body did not end-up issuing a formal call to arms]. It was because of the increasingly Despotic acts of Parliament [eventually supported by the King] that the situation ramped-up in 1774-1775.

      So your ‘magnitude’ mismatch argument fails because of a fault in your reading comprehension of my comments and lack of understanding of the pre-War For Independence history.

      The Road To Independence was paved with many and varied acts of Despotism that arose from the same way of thinking that the GOP Establishment [aka: ‘Stabs’] employed in Mississippi. Both the British Government then and the Stabs now were soaked in a Culture Of Corruption, where they believed any means could be employed, without regard to whether or not they were Moral, to achieve their ends, which were Power And Control. The British lost the American Colonies due to their corruptions more than because of their misunderstanding of The American Mind.

      And, it should be noted, any responsibility for the ‘death and destruction’ wrought by the War For Independence rests solely on the heads of the Tyrants in Parliament and on the tortured brow of the Despotic King, George III.

      SIDENOTE: To every reader, I would highly recommend Jeff Goldstein’s response of this morning to Dana:
      http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=54166#comment-1090649

  4. 28 June 2014 @ 12:14 12:14

    *Bonk *

    (This is not a comment, but a representation of the sound the GOP shillelagh makes when colliding — swung by his own hands — with the clubster’s skull)

  5. bellalu0 permalink
    28 June 2014 @ 20:44 20:44

    Reblogged this on can i just finish my waffle?.

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