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Bob’s Musings: Egypt, The Middle East, Mohammedism, And The Western Man’s Burden

14 September 2011 @ 14:38

Bob's Muse

-I never look forward to thinking about the situation in Egypt these days. It’s damned depressing. None of what seems to be one of the likely outcomes is in anyway heartening. The best, most realistic hope ― and this isn’t saying much ― is that a new Mubarak-like strongman smart enough to court The United States and Israel, backed by a reinvigorated Egyptian Military, arises and gains control, but I don’t see that happening. However, as Adobe Walls points out over at The Other McCain:

The Egyptian Military has been selling us out for decades. Mubarak’s son the one who was heir apparent was in the process of trying to give the civilian side of the government independence of and ascendance over the military. Absent “Arab spring” when Mubarak died there a high probability that there would have been a coup behind the scenes perhaps but a coup none the less. My biggest fear for Egypt is that in the inevitable chaos their pre-seventh century heritage will be lost or destroyed.

As I was watching a documentary on the search for more information on King Tut last night, this thought occurred to me: If the Mohammedins take power, they will eventually destroy the ancient Egyptian palaces, temples, and tombs because the Koran demands this. Ancient Buddhist statues anyone?

-It would appear that the Mohammedins will take power and the Muslim Brotherhood will be running the show.

-How did we come to such a pass?

Things were contained in that area of the world until the demand for oil and the discoveries of massive amounts of it in the Middle East were made. Islam had been thrashed by The West and was the Sick Man religion of the world. The way the Western powers handled the area after these events was what led to us being in the horrible situation we are in today.

We had the bastards under control, but we decided to become lax parents. And these children became spoiled and bratty. Unfortuately, when such behavior infects whole peoples, things get bloody and dangerous. And when the parents, in this case the nations of The West, lose their will to fight back, the children run wild in the streets.

-Here is the result of the debasement/destruction of the Pax Americana. The Left should be shooting off fireworks: through their Golden Child, they have removed America from it’s role as a positive force for good in the world, as the leader of the Free World, aka: The West.

-It may have surprised some that I would back a strongman type of rule in Egypt as I do carry-on quite a bit about ‘restoring our freedoms and liberties’, but the key word in the phrase is ‘our’. To me that word means, first and foremost, America. Secondly, it applies to the nations of The Anglosphere and, finally, hoping against hope and experience, the rest of The West. The principles that animate the English-Speaking Peoples do not often resonate with people of of other Cultures. Many are hard-wired [the Mohammedins more than anyone else] to view opposition to their worldview as impossible, the ravings of madman or servants of evil forces. Some people cannot be trusted with true Freedom and true Liberty. They must be ruled by a sovereign because, unlike us, they lack the necessary smarts to be sovereigns themselves, like we are. Those few in the Second and Third Worlds who think they can are more than welcome to come here [legally] and try The Western Way on for size. But the fact remains that most of the non-Western World’s peoples cannot handle what we have forged here.

-I’m sorry but I have yet to see any of the Arab nations/tribes show a single bit of appreciation for our ways of Freedom and Liberty. To the Mohammedin, ‘freedom’ is the ability to worship his god in a world without any other deities but Allah and ‘liberty’ is being excused from the obligation to wage Jihad because all of the Infidels have been eliminated. These kind of people will only understand the rule of an iron hand and it is in our best interests if that hand belong to a Shah or President-For-Life that is appreciative of the value of having, at the very least, good relations with The United States.

-The Founding Fathers feared Democracy because they understood that it was the rule of the mob and subject to easy corruption. The Mohammedins, the wiser ones anyway, embrace Democracy because they can manipulate the Muslim mob through appeals to Islam [which means ‘submission’] and because they re permitted to practice any form of corruption in pursuit of the ends as set forth by Allah ‘transmitted through’ Mohammed.

-As we seek to restore our freedoms and liberties here in America, we must also pick up once again The Western Man’s Burden.

Take up the White man’s burden —
Send forth the best ye breed —
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need;
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild —
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White man’s burden —
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard —
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light: —
“Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?”

Tip of the fedora to Smitty for the inspiration.

  1. M. Thompson permalink
    14 September 2011 @ 21:57 21:57

    Having read Kipling is one of the reasons I’ve got a very bitter outlook on life. Also, I read one of Heinlien’s 1950’s ‘Juveniles’ recently. The hero was held in slavery for much of his life. When he escaped, his family responded with simplistic pacifism or denial that it was slavery. But he prevailed. What sort of world is it where we must worry about the return of that sort of bondage?

    • bobbelvedere permalink*
      19 September 2011 @ 20:17 20:17

      A world full of humans who find it much easier to do and forgive Evil.

  2. Adobe Walls permalink
    15 September 2011 @ 02:06 02:06

    The major problem with our efforts at democratic nation building in the East is this naive idea that the people there are very like us. They are not. Despotism when ever those areas succeeded in rising above tribal societies has been the norm. When we overthrew Saddam we did not encounter a people pining for democracy as we understand that term. They were pining for a less tyrannical despotism that is the best that they have ever experienced for three thousand years. When after the expenditure of much of our blood and treasure they had the opportunity to form a democratic system and write a constitution they inserted a clause stipulating that Islam must be the basis of all legislation.
    This would be the equivalent of our constitution containing a clause stating that all legislation must be based on Catholic or Episcopalian or Congregationalist doctrine. Only these Christian denominations are not nearly as all encompassing as Islam. However even more fundamental than religion is that their societal and cultural history is of the East as opposed to the West.

    This struggle of East vs West has waxed and waned for two and a half millennia. First the Greeks stopped the expansion of the Persians into Southeastern Europe. Then Alexander conquered the Eastern world around most of the Mediterranean rim. Then Rome conquered that and the rest of the Mediterranean rim including all of North Africa but especially Carthage, another Eastern culture, including their colony in Spain,. For centuries Western culture remained ascendant for most of the world from edge of Europe and around the Mediterranean to the border of Persia.

    This didn’t change fundamentally until the rise of Islam. The eastern advance was checked in the European southwest at tours by Charles Martel and in the east in Asia Minor by the Eastern Romans. This status quo remained basically intact until the rise of the Seljuk Turks and their conquest of modern day Turkey. Saladin was a Seljuk Turk. After a brief period of Mongol ascendency, an even more Eastern power, the Ottomans conquered most of the western Moslem world and then the East advanced again into Southwestern Europe during the 15Th century ending the last bastion of Rome. This advance wasn’t halted until 1683 at The Gates of Vienna. Begging the moderator’s indulgence I shall end here with this final thought. The struggle we are engaged in today is in its basic form a battle for dominance between Eastern and Western culture which are fundamentally incompatible. The different strains of Eastern culture are many and varied and most have mellowed significantly. The exception is Islam. It remains as aggressive and chauvinistic as it was at its creation and will never relinquish its compulsion to dominance and hegemony.

    • Rosalie permalink
      15 September 2011 @ 10:10 10:10

      And ignorance is not bliss when it comes ot Islam.

    • 17 September 2011 @ 01:34 01:34

      “The different strains of Eastern culture are many and varied and most have mellowed significantly. The exception is Islam.”

      Another, and IMO far more toxic, exception is China.

      Mohammedanism (or as our host prefers, Mohammedinism) is a slave to Euro-American technology and education. It has no intrinsic productive facilities or abilities because it is essentially lazy and slavery-based, especially Arab and African Mohammedinism. And lying. Lots of lying. “Never believe or trust an Arab unless they are Christian.” is advice US Troops received from Arab allies during OIF, and took to heart.

      Mohammedins respect power. This is the gist of our host’s point, IMO:

      Marine Gen. James Mattis, in a message sent to Iraqi tribal leaders, August 2006
      “I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.” After that came the “Sunni Awakening.” General Mattis currently commands USCENTCOM.

      Defeating Mohammedinism is not difficult from a targeting perspective. The “head of the snake” is not obscure or amorphous. It is the Mohammedin clerics and scholars. They are the nation state Mohammedinism pretends to be. Eliminate them, eliminate Mohammedanism.

      Good news: the FBI is teaching the truth:

      The writer, Spencer Ackerman, as I recall is an original Jurnolister. His purpose in that piece is to embarrass the FBI on behalf of the usual suspects. But in fact he announces good news! Mohammedinism is intrinsically and unalterably violent, and its drivers are its clergy and scholars. Defeat its drivers, by eliminating them, defeat Mohammedinism. It’s not a big problem, nor a hard one to resolve, and far from the main problem facing US national security interests.

      China is the big main problem facing US national security interests.

      Rather than speaking of “Eastern” and “Western” cultures, I suggest rather absolutist and democratic cultures. For, there are absolutists (leftists/communists/socialists) in the West and democrats (Indians, Vietnamese, Thai, Mongolians, Japanese) in the East. Mohammedins, especially Arab and Iranian Mohammedins, and Chinese are absolutists. Japanese were but had that kicked out of them, at least for now. Russians also are absolutists, although with significant modifications by the Orthodox Church, which has its own absolutism.

      “East” and “West” are terms created by Euro-based anti-Christians to minimize the importance of the Latin and Greek churches.

      • Adobe Walls permalink
        18 September 2011 @ 14:56 14:56

        China is the single largest nation threatening us but the Ummah is larger still. Furthermore while China was driven largely by communist ideology it was equally motivated by a desire for national renewal, a sense of shame for how helpless their once great culture became in the face of exploitation by smaller nations of inferior cultures. China doesn’t want to convert the world to their culture or religion or make us all Chinamen. They are a large and powerful nation that wants to dominate their region. Their aims are fundamentally imperialistic in the manner of Japan’s in the first half of the 20Th century. They are the single largest military and economic threat, but are not an ideological threat to us. They are also extremely xenophobic and chauvinistic but this is driven more by a sense of racial and national superiority than ideology. Further China may very well be considerably weaker than they appear. China’s economy is rife with cronyism and corruption always a weakness in that there’s no reason to believe that they do it any better than anyone else. They have a demographic problem as bad or worse than Europe’s and are unwilling to accept immigrants, which is how Europe tries to improve their demographics. Much is made of Chinas investments in commodity resources etc. The problem is that China doesn’t invest, it buys what it needs or covets in from other economies and believes China “owns” what it “invests” in. Their “investments” in developing nations come with an extremely heavy hand and sometimes brutality. They make deals enriching the elites who then allow them to treat workers like serfs. It won’t be long before China takes the place of European colonialism in the hearts and minds of Africans.
        In their own back yard their dominance must come at the expense of the other countries of Southeast and East Asia. This is something they’ve been resisting since they developed national identities, they will find common ground in resisting China.

        • 18 September 2011 @ 20:17 20:17

          I grasp your points. Their center appears to be that China is driven by racial and nationalistic rather than ideological impulses. I am unaware of a separation between those factors. To me they appear integral and equally threatening US national security. Even China’s internal weakness – correct, could implode at any time, and with internal remedy impaired by common Oriental inflexibility once plan is resolved and allergy to ongoing structural maintenance, because that costs money with no immediate profit – is not, as I see it, grounds for insouciance regarding that nation.

          Not unimportant marginal observation: only one nation defeated and drove backward the Red Army during the 20th Century: India. US and allied forces defeated the Red Army in Korea but were prevented by Dean Rusk, then on the East Asia desk at DoS, and other Chinaphile/Fabian Communist bureaucrats in Washington D.C. from driving the Red Army permanently backward above the 38th Parallel. Dean Rusk later, as SecState, invented the notorious “DMZ” in Vietnam, as he had done at the 38th Parallel in Korea. India, alone in the 20th Century, had the resolve to drive the Red Army before it. And India at the time lived under a socialist regime!

          India, USA and Russia, essentially brothers, are the decisive factors in world order for the next several centuries. All have an interest in removing the Chinese menace. And the means. Despite the USA being in thrall currently to a Chinaphile White House occupant. That is a passing fancy.

  3. 15 September 2011 @ 23:39 23:39

    About that pre-7th century heritage. There is so much of it around the Middle East! I’m Jewish, and I dream of visiting Baghdad one day, because there is so much of my history there. I wish archeologists would have access to Medina for the same reason. Too bad the region is controlled by homicidal nutcases.

    • bobbelvedere permalink*
      19 September 2011 @ 20:30 20:30

      Any of the surviving remnant sof the Ancient World are in danger when the nutcases are in control.

  4. 16 September 2011 @ 12:23 12:23

    The next president needs to be cutting off Cairo, that’s all I know

    And while arming Israel to the teeth…

    • bobbelvedere permalink*
      19 September 2011 @ 20:31 20:31

      I’m starting to warm to the idea that the next CinC should plan for saving the relics of Ancient Egypt.

  5. 16 September 2011 @ 12:35 12:35

    Excellent! I am tired of the lie that all cultures are equal. All the liberals who think all cultures are equal are more than happy to emigrate to one of the other cultures they so love. What? No takers?

    • bobbelvedere permalink*
      19 September 2011 @ 20:32 20:32

      [crickets chirping]

  6. 18 September 2011 @ 10:38 10:38

    Izlamo Nazis will reject democracy…and we have said this from day one..things are heating up badly…God bless u.:)

  7. 18 September 2011 @ 13:33 13:33



  8. Adobe Walls permalink
    18 September 2011 @ 22:37 22:37

    @ David
    To be clear, I regard China and to a lesser extent Russia as extremely dangerous and potent adversaries.

    However both pale in comparison to the existential threat to humanity that Islam poses. For starters China is not protected by a cabal of politically correct, multicultural, diversity spouting panderers. If one could convince the American left of the danger that China does pose to us they would no doubt embrace them. China’s challenge to us is much more conventional than Islam’s. It isn’t even that similar to the cold war standoff between the US and Russia, actually it more resembles the race for colonies of the late 19th century. China isn’t infiltrating us, bullying our friends in the region and building up their military so they can make us or the countries around them accept Buddhism or Communism or become like them. They merely want to establish economic, military and to a lesser extent political hegemony in their region and to some extent the wider world. They may hate us and the rest of the western world for what we’ve done in the past but they don’t hate us now for what we are, they want what we have. Islam would be perfectly happy to reduce the entire world’s standard of living to the level of the average Somalian as long as everybody got on their knees and faced Mecca five times a day.

  9. bobbelvedere permalink*
    19 September 2011 @ 20:34 20:34

    Thanks to you all for keeping things lively here while I was ill.


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